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This is a CC answer that went over the limit. I’m sorting to create the most interesting narrative/dynamics, rather than fidelity to their personality/values.

SC Gryffindor + JiHan Slytherin. I want JiHan together to get the same dynamic we have in canon, in particular I’m imagining Clap era when they had similar hair and looked like twins. I love the idea of Jihan with the school reputation of ‘slytherin twins’, as infamous as the Weasleys but also sexier haha. SC is gryff of course for his big protagonist energy and leader status = prefect. I personally think Josh is more Slytherin than Jeonghan who leans Claw for me. I don’t see him as ambitious compared to the rest of Seventeen, and he can be selfless, even under his tricks. JH’s biggest traits to me are his cunning and wit. Since Hong before Yoon, I can imagine JH watching JS's sorting then asking the sorting hat to sort him in Slyth not Claw because he needs to be where Josh is. "I could only do it because you were there" vibes.

ANYWAY. The aesthetic of a righteous gryffindor flanked by mischievous slytherin twins is the sole reason for this sorting.

Jun Gryff, Hosh Huff, Wonwoo Ravenclaw, Woozi Slytherin

LISTEN. AESTHETICS FIRST. One for each house for 96 line. I want them to be a found family that defies social customs. WW Claw self explanatory, WZ Slyth because most likely member to live in a basement (dungeon, whatever) - but I do think he has a lot of understated ambition and matched the sortinghatchats description of a slytherin primary, especially the part about how their loyalty is earned not given. Woozi is fiercely protective of those in his inner circle, but its difficult to get past his walls. Also if he is in Slytherin he can cuddle up to Jeonghan at night :) https://sortinghatchats.tumblr.com/post/190658751442/on-slytherin-primaries

Mafia Hoshi is such a Puff hah. I want people to judge him as a loud dumb himbo and then get absolutely smashed by him in quidditch. I also want teenage Claws to make fun of Wonwoo for hanging around a Silly Hufflepuff only to realise Wonwoo is just as silly. Hosh is very Cedric Diggory to me u___u kinda awkward in conversation but is scarily competent when it comes to crunch time. I'm also fond of Puffs and I want smart Puff representation (selfishly, its also because I'm getting into Formula 2 specifically Guanyu Zhou whose colours are black and yellow... its a sexy combination and hosh sexy)

Jun is very Puff to me (bc he is happiest when he make others happy). But. I want him to have Neville Longbottom's arc. Pure blood, childhood fame, but awkward first impressions, low self esteem, and constantly crippled by imposter syndrome. He wonders if he fits in Gryffindor amongst the Choi Seungcheols and Choi Minhos (lol). Its only until he believes in himself that he unlocks his true potential and proves his courage (I want this for RL WJH too).

Also once Minghao comes WJH will go from Longbottom to Weasley just for him rip xmh.

Minghao Vernon Ravenclaw because I want VerHao and cumulatively they can vibe Luna Lovegood (imagine them walking into the forbidden forest together, completely calm and at peace, probably in search of strange potion ingredients from a restricted book that Vernon found). Also the idea of a WonHaoSol Claw clique is deadly to me, what a visual line... does psychic damage from 6 ft... when they get in the zone there's a black hole in the common room where all sound disappears.

Seokmin is very Gryff for the same reasons as Jun (it mirrors his confidence growth over the past few years), but I want him in Hufflepuff to get Hufflepuff BooSeokSoon . Oh lord imagine them meming so hard in first year that by the end they get enough reputation to perform at the Yule Ball. When Seungkwan becomes prefect they do karaoke in the prefect baths.

Mingyu Gryffindor. Same as Coups, protag energy + jock energy from the books. (Imagine 11 y.o KMG setting eyes on Yoon Jeonghan and begging the sorting hat to be placed in slytherin only to be told 'lol no try again'). Personally he is Puff to me because of his hard work and earnesty, and the kind of heart-on-sleeve sincerity that I associate with Puffs. But Gryff because I think Gryffindors annoy Claws the most and I want Gyuhao bickerbanter <3

Chan Gryffindor. He has the bold and bright ambition that runs bright like a Gryff. Main reason, I want to work off the Coups <-> Chan paradox, leader that acts like a maknae vs reluctant maknae that wants to be the oldest. As a Gryff, I can set up the thematic parallel to Seungcheol before developing Chan as Seungcheol's foil. (Also Chan Gyu Cheol Gryff Trifeca is such a power move, SM Passion Trio watch out)

Wordcount: 6.6k. I will add pictures tomorrow to facilitate comprehension.

(this was response to a CC that was asked in october 2020)

Introduction
The Love Languages Theory suggests that people communicate love in different ways, and value different forms of love. Miscommunication and hurt can occur when people don't understand this difference, like a gift-giver who doesn't feel appreciated because their friend prefers words of affirmation, and the friend doesn't feel appreciated either. So the recommendation is to learn and observe each other. You can do a quiz to find our your lovelang, and read more here.

For writing it's a useful way to see characters and create conflict when there's no clear villain. It's fun to wonder if certain members drift together because their lovelangs match, or to draft the arc of a relationship by learning to speak in each other's languages.

The five lovelang are:

• Acts of Service
• Gifts
• Physical Touch
• Quality Time
• Words of Affirmation

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(DISCLAIMER: only take for the context of fic writing and plotting)*

Seungcheol - maknae/spoilt youngest daughter personality, risk-adverse, refuses to be funny, hits people when he laughs. When younger (17TV), tends to be clique-y and does not reach out to newcomers (cf. Jun, Seungkwan). As a leader, he’s more of a mediator rather than lead-by-example initiator.

Jeonghan: the obvious cheater/swindler/annoying older brother personality comes to mind. But he can give off the impression of a slacker who does the bare minimum because he’s tired all the time and always zones out on the side of interviews. His practised lines + on/off stage dichotomy can also lead to distrust because he seems insincere. He’s good at reading people and figuring out what they need but I think he also has a very stubborn side that we never see (E.g. the infamous 1.5 hour argument with Mingyu)

Joshua: has a diluted, chameleon-like personality. He gets along with everyone because he’s nice but? this can come off as superficial because he doesn’t appear to have strong views about anything and we don’t /see/ any flaws. To me he’s hard to write because he tends to adapt himself to the person he’s with. And there’s the whole multicultural/divided selves aspect because he is both American and Korean. ALSO! His korean is not fluent, he stutters a lot in interviews to the point where they have to cut and edit haha. So I could write him as forgettable or awkward.

Jun: BRATTY, uncooperative and inconsiderate (stomp stomp), without a schedule he exactly like me (on my phone, in bed, unproductive), lack of direction in life. (people who are overly ambitious and with a slight superiority-complex are allergic to this). Also insecure which means he doesn’t push himself outside of his comfort zone (extremely quiet in outside interviews and programs. only speaks when spoken to)

Wonwoo: passive and eager for recognition. See Castaway boys, sad when no one hears him, but will not reach out; super eager to share about his hobbies and push them onto other people then check up on them but not realising that they only asked out of politeness and not real interest haha. (I think it’s cute how he rambles) Lowkey petty if Hoshi is involved.

Hoshi: He’s funny but his kind of humour can be inconsiderate because he does not think things through (OFD Japan). Like Jun, there’s no brain-to-mouth filter so he can hurt other people’s feelings, especially those who are passive and don’t speak up for themselves (Wonwoo, Seokmin). For example, he thinks it’s funny to tease Seungkwan about his habits and will continue to do so because people laughed at it before. But he probably won’t know when to stop or when someone is not in a joking mood.

He’s loud and intrusive which can be annoying to people. Overconfident. REMINDER! He’s introverted so he’s very meek when outside of his friend group (see collaboration stages, shows where he’s solo represent).

Woozi: Obv there’s the hard-ass whip-carrying Vocal Boss side, but to me, Woozi’s not the type to offend others because he keeps to himself. He’s easy to ‘get along’ with because he’s practical and gets the job done. It’s harder to get close and get to know him outside of work (I think of classmates that always leave to work/study straight after class instead of hanging out). It’s more likely for him to over-carry his burdens and suffer alone (See, 17TV). Conflict can arise when he becomes stressed > becomes abrasive > overthinkers take it personally (Seokmin, bc he’s not getting praised) or extend emotional labour to figure out what’s wrong (Jeonghan, Seungcheol if he’s in leader mode)

Mingyu: Wahh he can either come off as extremely flawless or extremely cocky. I think a fic describes him as a mild-narcissist because he’s good looking (and he knows it) and he’s good at everything he does (and he knows it). You can tell he’s been praised all his life which means he’s extremely sensitive to failure (iconic lip purse) and criticism. Like you have to Fight him to convince him to try your way (See: fire fight with Minghao). Because everything comes easily to him, he can come off as proud and derisive because he simply can’t understand why it’s difficult for someone else. If he helps, it can come off as paternalistic and preachy. You can tell how difficult his personality is by how many predebut/off-camera fights involve him. Like Hoshi he’s overconfident (see Home? recording behind where he walks in thinking he can do it in one take but in the end Minghao takes him out, sits him down by his lap and runs through line by line haha)

Minghao: Can come off as cold, unenthusiastic, uninterested or just plain rude (see interviews where he would just look away as soon as he finished answering the question, where SK would keep eye contact, check reaction, and carry/link to the next point). Younger, this was because he wanted to look cool (you could seriously tell when he hated a concept, which can be unprofessional to some) but now, I think it’s just because he’s happier to let others take the spotlight and doesn’t want to waste the energy to talk over people (See: Insomnia Zero where he just, meditates in the back haha)

Edit: I think this coldness also comes from his emotional independence; he doesn't rely on others to be happy, so he doesn't hand out easy validation in the way Jeonghan or Seungkwan does. (This is why 8Jun is interesting to me, because their personalities are so dissimilar and they had to learn to work together)

Artistic types (esp when they’re still figuring it out) also tend to alienate people for their eccentricity. Runs hot and cold? like he can be extremely cuddly and supportive but also dismissive HAHA. Younger Minghao was also extremely insecure. Out of all the Sebongs, I would say he grew up the most.

Seokmin: Easy crier which can frustrate overly-rational people who think it’s selfish/irrational/over-emotional/impractical. Can be a doormat (‘please ignore me’ // 'okay I'll change the filter' vs Jeonghan 'I'm sorry we can't change it') which can frustrate assertive people. Like, Mingyu might not sympathise with over-thinkers because he's the “Just do it types” vs Seokmin who probably need(ed) a lot of praise before he can be confident. Can be a flaw because they can be helpless on their own. Also needs a lot of emotional validation. The type to take the ‘lack of praise’ as ‘disapproval’ rather than just, the lack of praise (See Insomnia Zero story where the evaluator asked a question and he started crying. Someone like Hoshi or Mingyu would have just bluffed).

Seungkwan:He has a very particular personality that is annoying to a lot of people (especially when stressed). I know some of the sebongs are tired of his nagging/vitamin endorsement/de-bloating exercises because he does it too much. Certain types (like Mingyu) could take the nagging as an insinuation that Seungkwan thinks he knows better/thinks Mingyu doesn’t know how to take care of himself, and get annoyed. His desire to ‘create content’ can come off as attention-seeking, excessive, or artificial. For example, someone like Jeonghan would want content to come naturally once everyone is comfortable, but Seungkwan would ‘force’ content to happen (planning gags, making jokes, redirecting conversation (see MMTG where he apologised for the suddenly serious mood since that wasn’t the point of the show but the AMAZING host was just, don’t worry just let it flow)

Also when SK thinks he knows better he can’t stop talking and probably can’t read the mood (see; story where he lectured the current trainees for hours).

Vernon:He’s like Woozi in that he doesn’t actively tease people so is unlikely to create trouble. Out of them all, he’s the calmest and chillest. Think of a hippie pacifist and you get Vernon. Because of that I can’t ever write him as an antagonist haha, probably at most a foil to the protag. The most conflict he could create is probably from people who are judgement/can’t understand him, similar to the point I made about artistic types like Minghao. If you’re not open minded, you can look at his fashion sense and think he’s weird or space-headed. He does attract a lot of prejudice though (see his school experience, trauma lyrics).

Ah! Also his personality can be frustrating because he’s very polite and conservative on shows, getting him to say something controversial or exciting is like plucking teeth. Also a shopaholic and a mess at home.

Dino:(psa I think Dino is HILARIOUS) Surprisingly has a dark sense of humour which lets me Speculate about all the grudges he’s holding. He’s made out to be a leader, but as the maknae to 12 chaotic hyungs he really has to behave. He’s amazingly patient but I KNOW there’s another side to him we haven’t seen (#BangChan). Apparently he fights with Jeonghan all the time and I absolutely cannot imagine how that happens based off what I know of his personality (will continue speculating, readers please engage).

He’s prone to dramatic speeches (see, history meme, Caratland VCR) and is very straight-laced. Can not get jokes or follow a gag (“but human rights for chickens hyung”)

Also who comes home at 6am after drinking alone??!!

*EXTENDED DISCLAIMER bc I’m all about covering that ass.

• I’m terrified of this taken out of context so please, if you think I don’t like them, remember that have a SVT Manifesto that’s all good words
• The point of this is for fic writers when thinking about how to create inter-character conflict in fics, or just character development in general
• Most of these flaws are good points in certain situations!!! That’s the complexity of people. Some of the personality points are only problems if they encounter another personality type, creating a clash. Sometimes they fit perfectly.
• For example, someone like Minghao would hate how Jun is always gaming because he values productivity and self-improvement. Wonwoo gets along with Jun because they're similar passive types and Wonwoo is the type to just let people be (see, tour roommates) A lot of these thoughts are based off my experience with people, so yours can vary and I would love to hear it.
• I can keep speculating about how they could interact but there’s… 13x12=156 combinations please let me live. If you want to hear something specific and enable more rambling please talk to me on my cc <3 <3