discussion: ours for the moment

[hwarium]

“What is it like, not knowing what comes next?”

hello! this is a place to talk about my fic ours for the moment. Thank you to everyone who has shown so much love and enthusiasm. Hearing your ideas make the story more alive for me as well <3

A lot of readers have mentioned that they would love to talk to someone, to share theories or just to yell and have someone yell back haha. So I want to use this space to connect people to people and spark conversations.

I won’t be taking part in this, and I’m muting notifications so feel free to go wild!!!

polite reminder

1. stay respectful, even if you disagree I find that you can have juicier chats when you ask someone why they think a particular way, rather than rejecting an idea outright.
2. please don’t quote what I’ve said in DMs, you can mention the ideas if you link back to the story, but I don’t want “hwa said XYZ” to be used as law. Comment replies are fine!
3. I trust you <3 I’ve heard some brilliant ideas and theories and I want other people to be as excited about it as I was.

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[hwarium]

first comments are daunting so I'm taking it for the team

to start, someone made scoups_ahoy read and answer a cc ;__; whomst amongst you

https://curiouscat.qa/scoups__ahoy/post/1147325373

[(Anonymous)]

Hello, just dropping by to say ours for the moment changed my life. You are an incredible writer and I really had so many gut wrenching pauses reading that story. I hope you continue pursuing writing because you’re extremely talented I wish I knew how to express how much I loved your writing style And the way you think?? I’m rambling but really and ultimately, thank you.

[deadwine]

There is so much about this fic that makes me want to yell into a void, but as of right now I'm thinking specifically about Wonwoo and Seungcheol. I feel like they represent such an interesting dilemma. Wonwoo pierces through Seungcheol's idealism and for a moment there he seems like the author's own mouthpiece, when he talks about the lack of any real choice within a corrupt system. I thought Seungcheol's sense of duty makes him go through with his job anyway, despite this conversation, initially. But if you take the Mingyu conversation into account- he brings up the system angle too, yet he is willing to work with Seungcheol- I feel like, maybe the author didn't just want Seungcheol's character to be a foil to Wonwoo's jadedness but rather they inject a certain sense of hope(?) not sure if that's the right word but hope despite the hopelessness and hope in addition to the sense of duty to 'the greater good'?? This is me speculating against all personal belief that all this fic says about this particular aspect is that free will doesn't exist. Please feel free to yell back at my roundabout thoughts.

[(Anonymous)]

sorry, no thoughts head empty right now

just the post it notes, "september 24, he said I love you" ... makes me cry

hello this is klav's theory

[(Anonymous)]

Okay I'm throwing out my Happy Ending Future Theory (TM) in case anyone would like to agree, disagree, add on, etc!
So after SC makes a personal sacrifice (cue Hanged Man tarot imagery) and erases himself from JH's life to protect him, SC succeeds in his quest to take down the big baddies. But it takes a while, let's say a few years, and afterwards he's no longer safe in SK. It's recommended that he flee the country before some other resentful chaebol tied up in the financial drama can enact revenge. Free of commitments, he goes to Japan and tracks down JH who is off eating the best meal of his life. He does not run into JH by accident, it is A Choice (cue the Lovers tarot imagery) as he's running on nothing but fumes of love and detective skills baby~!
I'm choosing to believe JH lied in the very last scene about not recognizing SC, in an effort not to trap him. JH is holding the sheets in that scene which could be an indication he's lying!
I also like the idea of SC tracking down JH and not telling him about their past together at all, for both of their safety. At that point, since JH has forgotten their initial relationship, it will seem like he's waiting for a future in which a man appears in his life who already knows everything about him and how he likes to be a loved from day 1--a reversal of their first time around and a more even playing field. Cue the long, happy overlap in time where they can know/love each other almost equally for many years. :))

Re: hello this is klav's theory

[(Anonymous)]

I really love the ending you thought of!! It's probably the happiest ending this story can have hahaha anyway here's my two cents. I don't mean to come off as mean or harsh so I apologize if I do hehe
“No, this is the last time,” Jeonghan says, “Every time is the last time. And when you go, I would have forgotten everything that has happened.”
I don't think they ever meet again. Seungcheol and Wonwoo's conversation made it seem like complying is the only thing to do because it's one man vs an entire system which has been established and thriving for years. Even if it's not exactly one man vs an entire system, it is still lopsided. I think he works to uproot the system for as long as he can before he either flees or dies. I don't see him fleeing really, so ;-;
Also,
“You still see him,” Jihoon finally states, “After all these years?”
Has Jeonghan had the best meal of his life already if it's been a few years since they've met?
/Surrender to circumstance/ summarizes what I think happens pretty well. Jeonghan doesn't remember, he could've been lying about having too much to drink? Seungcheol chooses to work against the corrupt system /martyrdom/, can erasing himself from Jeonghan's life be seen as something he felt mandated to do by the circumstances created by his choice? If he dies doing this, if he never comes back to Jeonghan, isn't all that in a way surrender to circumstance? The system is not going to be uprooted in a day, they're more powerful than he is. Are all his sacrifices and a life of uncertainty and danger ultimately /futile/? I choose to believe that the upright Hanged Man applies to the fic and reversed applies to what I think happens after hmmm

[(Anonymous)]

Lets cry together ㅠㅠ

[(Anonymous)]

This fic ruined all of us, I see.

Re: hello this is klav's theory

[(Anonymous)]

“You still see him,” Jihoon finally states, “After all these years?”

This part threw me off too. I was kind of unsure of the time they'd spent together and if that meant that the Japan trip already happened and if not, how far into the future it happens. Also Jihoon not /knowing/ how deep SC/JH relationship went despite Jihoon being so close to Han threw me off too. Why do you think Han told Jihoon to stay away? Was it to try and ease the pain of knowing he was about to lose him? Do you think Han tried to save him?

Free will vs destiny

[eottoghe]

I've been thinking a lot about free will and destiny because depending on the answer, I think it can entirely change the story. Does Seungcheol alter Jeonghan's reality by removing himself from Han's life or does the decision to leave play right into Jeonghan's fate? Did Jeonghan know he was leaving? Because if Jeonghan /did/ know then I think that means that their fate is locked, Seungcheol won't show up in his life again. If jeonghan didn't know and Seungcheol successfully manipulated fate, then he can definitely do it again.

Re: hello this is klav's theory

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly I was puzzling over why he told Jihoon to stay away too. If I knew someone I was close to was going to die, wouldn't I want to do something to stop it even if I knew nothing can/should be done? I think it was to stop himself from interfering with the future in a way? Jeonghan doesn't want to take away free will, but knowing that your friend will die and the day's coming closer- that has to be very distressing because on one hand, his friend's going to die and he knows, on the other he cannot do anything about it and even if he wants to try, --> him not wanting to force other people. When I put myself in Jeonghan's shoes (or try to- I'm never able to see from a character's perspective without taking myself out of it so it's coloured by how I would have felt instead of how the character would have) him pushing Jihoon away makes sense from an emotional point of view. It's a lot to deal with.
“That it’s dangerous to know too much about the future,"
I also see this as a way to lessen his guilt. What if something he told Jihoon would be the very thing that gets him killed? He's going to die and Jeonghan cannot change that, but what if he's the cause of it, even though he doesn't mean to? So he asks Jihoon to not come back, lest one of his 'predictions' be the one piece of information that leads him to his death.

[(Anonymous)]

I hate this..it's 3:20 and I won't stop crying + am confused af

[(Anonymous)]

My god i am so late to the party,,, thank god im not the only one here whos going crazy for their fics im so so wrecked that i came here to right abt this!!

[(Anonymous)]

It's truly break my heart though...

[(Anonymous)]

As expect, such a wonderful masterpiece from you. Your works are truly shed a light on me though, so i'm really thankful to have a chance to read your works. As your reader since weight of heaven, i'm really looking forward to your later work, 'cause it seem like an true art for me. Every single work from you is laced with a thoughtful meaning, a message about exploring oneselfs. The people like Wonwoo (in this piece), to be honest, are maybe the most of us (including me). We can see such a corrupted system and so many horrible thing with our bare eyes and just decided to go with it, because it's obviously a dangerous work and we basically don't have that courage to play with fire... Honestly saying is this story really dark, but you have also bring hope for the tomorrow though the person like Cheol and Gyu... And i'm also really impressed by Jeonghan lines though:
Jeonghan closes his eyes, “I have a fear of forcing people into a path. Taking away their choices, their agency. If you know your future, how would you face it?”
People who want to see the future basically just want to find a way. But in the same time this can also cause to change the future. I don't know how to explain, but i think i could understand Jeonghan's point of view.
Last word, i really love how you portrait Seungcheol and Jeonghan relationship though, that's the biggest reason why i'm drown to your work at first. Honestly i don't even know how many time i've read weight of heaven and once again, love , but i think this will definitely stay in top tiers from my reading list.
Once again, thank you for your beautiful words and i'm looking forward to reading the later works from you.

W O W

[(Anonymous)]

Ok full disclosure: idk where the thing beating inside my chest disappeared to. it’s just a void now, an empty space. The tone gives you the hunch it wouldn’t end well, still i held onto hope. But that cut to the last scene was so abrupt that i was shaken as if hit by a 10-wheeler truck as I sit in the comforts of my office workstation. All that bc i forgot to look at the scroll bar.



To save my mind and heart from what-ifs, i accept sungcheol completely steps out of jeonghan’s life. I acknowledge SC has also chosen a turbulent path that will never be peaceful, but in case he lives longer and succumbs to the loneliness in a moment of weakness, i hope that he comes back to JH in a form possible and separate from his persona as a detective. Maybe in anonymous letters, gifts and deliveries (FUCKYEAH UNDERCOVER AS A DELIVERY BOY) or perhaps through a new mangled version of himself that looks so different from his previous existence in JH’s life that he was virtually impossible to connect to the SC he was loving before.

P.S. If JH drank the day before that last scene, i wonder why and how. I also keep thinking about their last days bc if i were JH and he loved SC intensely I would start panicking when i can’t find him in my memories of the future.

SIGH. Need some fluff and a hug rn. Off to watch SVT alive and well.

Hearts and confetti from sfp on ao3

a few years too late

[(Anonymous)]

hello, is this thing on? hi. i’m a few years too late into this but i need ti let this out.

in a span of a few hours, i’ve read this fic twice. meaning, i have my heart broken twice. (and yes, i will do it for the thirdfourthfifth time)

anyways, as much as it pains me to say it, i do think they never meet again. jh said he is never wrong and that all events he remembers will happen. so i think, if sc comes back in any way, he would’ve remembered him. (same way how he immediately forgot about jihoon the day he died. meaning he won’t ever know jihoon even thru stories. meaning sc won’t be with him to remind him. but, i wonder how he knew of mingyu to the point he could tell he is a good man.)

also, i feel like jh knew is some way that he will lose sc in time, especially when he said he doesn’t want to forget sc. bc if sc’s in his future, why was he afraid of ever forgetting? (i wonder if sc was able to figure it out, tho, that he’ll die. or that he’ll never see jh again. i wonder if that’s what he was thinking when he thought of jeonghan and if he’d knew loss.)

what confuses me still is the japan trip. what was the importance of jh’s trip to osaka that sc was able to figure him out.

i don’t expect answers, but i just needed to let these all out. what a wonderful way to fuck my heart up. 100/10 would do it again.

[klav]

back here to say this fic still keeps me up at night sometimes, thinking and thinking <3

Re: hello this is klav's theory

[(Anonymous)]

i like this version of ending and i'm holding onto this ;__;

just tried putting 2 and 2 together after 3 years lol

[(Anonymous)]

starting off right into my conclusion of how it ended : they will meet each other again.

now at first i thought that sc died/or they will never meet each other agaib because of how jh himself said that he will forget sc if he goes every time is the last time. and when you go, i would have forgotten everything that has happened.

however, i went out to carefully reread the fic again and came accrosz this lineThere are times when I just don’t remember … I mean. I know the future can not be changed, but sometimes there are things I just don’t know, and I wonder if those are the things that could still be changed.there is a probability that he does know something bad happened to sc that causes him to walk away from jh's life but he is unsure of where their future lies, because he cant remember it—which means that future of sc never meeting jh again could have been the "thing that could still be changed". though he did say it probably was dementia.

other than that line, another thing that got me thinking that they would meet again is about how jh can confidently say that mg is a good man. the fic didnt seem like it laid out a scene where jh and mg properly met, so in order for jh to judge mg as a good guy i think he needs to meet him a lot more—and that implies that mg is alive, and so is sc.

though this warped sense of time in this fic kind of made me confused...why did jihoon say that "you still see him after all these years?" like...how long have they known each other that even jh started to drift further away from jh? and how does the osaka thing play a big part to the story? i guess i'll never find out. it really really is a great fic. gonna go rec it to a friend!

Re: just tried putting 2 and 2 together after 3 years lol

[(Anonymous)]

you know what. i just re-read the whole fic again and i dont think they meet each other again. i think the hanged man fate that sc got from the tarot reading was of him sacrificing his love for jh (meaning he wont sought jg anymore) and not about him sacrificing his life for the mission. the lovers card might not mean about them. but jh with some other person, or sc with some other person. one thing im pretty sure of though is that sc is still alive.