Ah it's so interesting to see these takes, especially out in the open (as open as a dreamwidth journal is in the web landscape). My idol-fanship guilty pleasure is thinking about these traits and the dynamics/incompatibilities that arise from it as well.
I hope it's ok to comment here (if not feel free to yeet this comment out of existence if DW allows it) but just wanted to share a few thoughts:
- Scoups/Dino eldest/youngest clash - We don't know how Svt teamwork would work if Cheol didn't have his spoilt youngest personality (would he lead better?) but I think one avenue where it came handy to him is his closeness with the company senior staff. In 17 club the way he acts around the company VP fits very well with his natural lovable dongsaeng personality and in a smaller company like Pl/dis I wonder if soft connections like that matter too when asking for things for svt. I think he definitely had to step up and work hard in a way that goes against his default disposition to be a general leader; think about the specific praise Svt choose to give him as a leader (gathers our thoughts and presents them to the company) is that not expected to do? To specifically point it out as a point of praise, it makes me wonder that it's not something that comes naturally to him and that's why he is being praised for his incredible effort. In contrast, Dino who is the eldest child in his own family who has so much bite when they ask him how is it to have 12 hyungs, he is really not typical cute younger brother type. I think he has a lot of initiative to do what he wants and execute his own vision, a more typical textbook-leader personality but would it be too dictator-like to have him lead 13 people lol
- Mingyu narcissism - (ARIES ENFJ MAN + GOOD LOOKING DUDE IN VISUAL/PERFORMANCE ORIENTED PROFESSION) He knows he's good at things and he likes to show off that he's good at things. When I was new to caratdom I disliked him because he came off as show-offy and assholeish. But I think there is a lot of drive behind the actions to back up his words/actions. He works hard to get what he wants, and also wants you to know that he works hard to get what he wants. Kind of like a hero complex, with a side dash of know-it-all. See: Seoul story cooking video where he tries to use truffle oil to make japchae (because he's a high brow man who likes cooking so of course he wants to go for it but the chef advises him that it doesn't really fit this dish) I think over time I began to find it very endearing (8 biased; I love sincerity). Another opinion I have is that while he is very argumentative, I don't think Mingyu thinks of bickering/arguing as a bad thing. I think to him, conversation is about sharing what you know and taking turns adding your own opinion to the topic at hand. I think he and 8 can get along despite their "arguments" because of this: they share interests, so building on the shared interest as a topic, they are both the type to hear something and immediately form an opinion, and want to express their opinion and not hold it down. I think that kind of single-threaded convo can appear very heated to outsiders, and certain members who don't care if they get to to add their own 2 cents in a convo might think "why are they arguing for no reason".
- cont.d Mingyu friendships - Mingyu and bickering as a love language - Seungkwan: "Mingyu and i seem like we are always fighting but you guys understand we are actually very close right?" I think this is consistent with my view on him: People who are very strongly attached to their own opinions and have strong desire to express them, while they will fight with each other, they actually prefer those people's company over someone who converses in a different mode. If your own mode of conversation is to express, someone who is passively OK'ing everything will look disengaged to you. I think Jeonghan is someone who likes playing along to the conversation partner's whims, he communicates to give love and not to share ideas. That could be why Mingyu/Jeonghan initial incompatability (OFD): Their expectations from a conversation are different. A lot of members have said that they go to Jeonghan to seek comfort "he listens to my worries", and Jeonghan also often writes in rolling papers "He listens to my worries well". That's what he values in a conversation.
- Wonwoo wallflowerisms - Gose episode where they split up into loud members playing indoor football and quiet members playing arcade -> Loud members said lolol who is going to MC in the other group -> Scoups who knows Wonwoo very well said Wonwoo will do it. He is quiet but he steps up in times like this -> He was right. I think he is content not stealing the limelight in big groups but in small groups does actually like to fill a leading role. I think he's a really good fit to be 96line within svt because he lets hyungs baby him but he acts cool to younger ones [Jeonghan/coups: ww has a lot of aegyo // maknaes: wtf?????] [Jeongcheol on battle trip: Since he's the youngest we will plan // ww: I'll just tag along :3] Maybe it's not because he wants to look cool to dongsaengs, Idk. I think his personality is a bit invisible in big groups and fewer svts are older than him so. He looks like he's always laughing at his own joke (they are kind of unfunny lol) so I think he likes it when people humour his antics, but he's not attention-seeking enough to shove it up people's faces. The type of self-assurance that doesn't need to broadcast it except when he knows he will get attention for sure.
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Date: 19 October 2020 10:46 pm (UTC)I hope it's ok to comment here (if not feel free to yeet this comment out of existence if DW allows it) but just wanted to share a few thoughts:
- Scoups/Dino eldest/youngest clash - We don't know how Svt teamwork would work if Cheol didn't have his spoilt youngest personality (would he lead better?) but I think one avenue where it came handy to him is his closeness with the company senior staff. In 17 club the way he acts around the company VP fits very well with his natural lovable dongsaeng personality and in a smaller company like Pl/dis I wonder if soft connections like that matter too when asking for things for svt. I think he definitely had to step up and work hard in a way that goes against his default disposition to be a general leader; think about the specific praise Svt choose to give him as a leader (gathers our thoughts and presents them to the company) is that not expected to do? To specifically point it out as a point of praise, it makes me wonder that it's not something that comes naturally to him and that's why he is being praised for his incredible effort. In contrast, Dino who is the eldest child in his own family who has so much bite when they ask him how is it to have 12 hyungs, he is really not typical cute younger brother type. I think he has a lot of initiative to do what he wants and execute his own vision, a more typical textbook-leader personality but would it be too dictator-like to have him lead 13 people lol
- Mingyu narcissism - (ARIES ENFJ MAN + GOOD LOOKING DUDE IN VISUAL/PERFORMANCE ORIENTED PROFESSION) He knows he's good at things and he likes to show off that he's good at things. When I was new to caratdom I disliked him because he came off as show-offy and assholeish. But I think there is a lot of drive behind the actions to back up his words/actions. He works hard to get what he wants, and also wants you to know that he works hard to get what he wants. Kind of like a hero complex, with a side dash of know-it-all. See: Seoul story cooking video where he tries to use truffle oil to make japchae (because he's a high brow man who likes cooking so of course he wants to go for it but the chef advises him that it doesn't really fit this dish) I think over time I began to find it very endearing (8 biased; I love sincerity). Another opinion I have is that while he is very argumentative, I don't think Mingyu thinks of bickering/arguing as a bad thing. I think to him, conversation is about sharing what you know and taking turns adding your own opinion to the topic at hand. I think he and 8 can get along despite their "arguments" because of this: they share interests, so building on the shared interest as a topic, they are both the type to hear something and immediately form an opinion, and want to express their opinion and not hold it down. I think that kind of single-threaded convo can appear very heated to outsiders, and certain members who don't care if they get to to add their own 2 cents in a convo might think "why are they arguing for no reason".
- cont.d Mingyu friendships - Mingyu and bickering as a love language - Seungkwan: "Mingyu and i seem like we are always fighting but you guys understand we are actually very close right?" I think this is consistent with my view on him: People who are very strongly attached to their own opinions and have strong desire to express them, while they will fight with each other, they actually prefer those people's company over someone who converses in a different mode. If your own mode of conversation is to express, someone who is passively OK'ing everything will look disengaged to you. I think Jeonghan is someone who likes playing along to the conversation partner's whims, he communicates to give love and not to share ideas. That could be why Mingyu/Jeonghan initial incompatability (OFD): Their expectations from a conversation are different. A lot of members have said that they go to Jeonghan to seek comfort "he listens to my worries", and Jeonghan also often writes in rolling papers "He listens to my worries well". That's what he values in a conversation.
- Wonwoo wallflowerisms - Gose episode where they split up into loud members playing indoor football and quiet members playing arcade -> Loud members said lolol who is going to MC in the other group -> Scoups who knows Wonwoo very well said Wonwoo will do it. He is quiet but he steps up in times like this -> He was right. I think he is content not stealing the limelight in big groups but in small groups does actually like to fill a leading role. I think he's a really good fit to be 96line within svt because he lets hyungs baby him but he acts cool to younger ones [Jeonghan/coups: ww has a lot of aegyo // maknaes: wtf?????] [Jeongcheol on battle trip: Since he's the youngest we will plan // ww: I'll just tag along :3] Maybe it's not because he wants to look cool to dongsaengs, Idk. I think his personality is a bit invisible in big groups and fewer svts are older than him so. He looks like he's always laughing at his own joke (they are kind of unfunny lol) so I think he likes it when people humour his antics, but he's not attention-seeking enough to shove it up people's faces. The type of self-assurance that doesn't need to broadcast it except when he knows he will get attention for sure.